In topic: "Homestuck and Gnostic Tradition"

Sunday, August 24th, 2025, 8:53 AM14 days ago

I would just like to contribute this tidbit I found which may or may not be coincidence, who even knows.


One of the major sources for of what we know about Gnostic cosmology is their greatest critic — St Irenaeus of Lyons, the author of “Refutation and Overthrow of False-Named Knowledge”, also known as “Against Heresies”. In one of his jabs against the cosmology of Valentinus, he proceeds to make fun of the Gnostic penchant for giving seemingly arbitrary names to the various aeons and archons and such, and in doing so St Irenaeus accidentally establishes a link between pumpkins and the void that we see all too well in Homestuck.


The relevant passage is Against Heresies I.11.4:


> ...nothing hinders any other, in dealing with the same subject, to affix names after such a fashion as the following: There is a certain Proarche, royal, surpassing all thought, a power existing before every other substance, and extended into space in every direction. But along with it there exists a power which I term a Gourd [cucurbita]; and along with this Gourd there exists a power which again I term Utter-Emptiness [perinane]. This Gourd and Emptiness, since they are one, produced (and yet did not simply produce, so as to be apart from themselves) a fruit, everywhere visible, eatable, and delicious, which fruit-language calls a Cucumber [cucumis]. Along with this Cucumber exists a power of the same essence, which again I call a Melon [pepon]. These powers, the Gourd, Utter-Emptiness, the Cucumber, and the Melon, brought forth the remaining multitude of the delirious melons of Valentinus.

And will we let the fire go out?

Is this the end for them now?

Sunken ship that has long gone down

Will we let the fire go.. out?

—DirkJake in memoriam