casual transphobia in the fandom

no you're so right the amount of people who will loudly and confidently say that they HATE this character transitioning is like, really suspect imo

You are 10 billion percent right. This also applies to Vriska and how her transgenderism 'isn't right' there's so many examples of this shit. This is also why I think psycholonials should be required reading to ALL homestuck fans.

I think it's because of the whole "dubious canon" thing giving those kinds of people the excuse to just act like it doesn't exist or dismiss it entirely.

i think the really unfortunate thing is that even if it happened in the part of the comic that's considered 100% "canon." not post-canon or dubiously canon, but just Canon, i still think a lot of people would go out of their way to ignore or dismiss it. which sucks ass.

roxy is an icon tbh deserves way better. the increase in heart shaped shades I’ve purchased bc of him is honestly embarrassing but I’ll be real about it.

I do tryyy to give people the benefit of the doubt (with June as well) because if you are OG comic only and are out of the loop I can’t get mad at someone for not knowing something that exists beyond the original source material canon or not yaknow?? But I will also concede that I may be too nice about it sometimes u-u I gotta get Meaner but it’s not my nature

Didn’t the epilogues themselves state Roxy wasn’t happy on the transition? although it is dubiously canon

????? no????? what are you even talking about???

No, the epilogues state that the particular kind of transition Roxy experimented with in teenagerhood didn't last, but that by no means had their journey of self-discovery ended by the time we saw them in later adulthood in the Candy timeline.

RE: kevin

it's sad that this is probably true. it kind of just reminds me that a lot of queer representation is ignored if it's not seen as like "good enough" by fandoms. i also see a lot of people pointing to roxy's "transfem coding" in like argument for why trans man roxy is bad. and it's like, first of all they can both exist, but second a lot of the coding you may have been witnessing could be in relation to just. being trans in general. i think people just dont like that the hyper fem roxy turned out to be a trans dude. #gnc characters for life.

RE: autumn

it's not even just being out of the loop. the fact that roxy canonically coming out isnt at all absorbed by the fandom is just insanity. i feel like a lot of homestuck fans fail to realize that dubiously and beyond canon works cannot be ignored. or , if someone sees those things as canon, they are right. hs fans will legit call these things NOT canon. and like, well yes and no, but its clear that canon as a concept is whats being challenged and made fun of here and the fact u are playing into it is sort of ironic

yeah, nah, he never says that. in candy, roxy talks about the choice not to transition in that timeline.

this is by-and-large about how candy is the "everyone is heterosexually married" timeline, and the false dichotomy of meat/candy turned into the false dichotomy of transitioning/parenthood for roxy, specifically. if you look closely, you can see that every character in the epilogues has a similar choice between "being gay/trans"/forward progress in meat, and "being traditional"/more conservative '''stagnation''' in candy.

re: jadetotem

actually, in the candy epilogues (correct me if im wrong its been a while) roxy talks about how she wishes she explored more of her gender, but becoming a mother kind of allowed her to like. "put it away" if that makes sense. still very clear writing for a trans man character (and usually id still call him he/him when referring to candy, but i didnt want you to confuse what i was referring to)

roxy never once "regrets" his gender transition in the way you are describing

I know most folks that hold the "I don't like trans roxy11!!1" opinion are definitely shitheels that don't want anything to be different or complicated ever, I've 100% seen people be like that. That said, and this is probably a result of me liberally blocking people on tumblr, most of what I've seen (recently anyways) is some folks thinking trans masc Roxy conflicted with some subtextual stuff that might have pointed to a trans fem Roxy. Not saying thats my read on the character, but I know its one I've seen from some folks, especially other trans women. Definitely a minority voice in that sea of discourse though.

yeah, re: people being upset over transfem roxy not being canon, i can't blame them for that. it's a pretty understandable thing, especially since roxy was pretty fundamental to a lot of people's sense of gender growing up. there's a good amount of nuance to it, so i understand why they might be slower to accept, and i respect that. i feel as if from experience they're also not the sort to really like. Get Mad At You if you're down with the actual transmasc roxy text, though.

part of it really is just the unfortunate growing pains of going from a fandom (in an era that) puts a lot of thought and credence into "diversity headcanons," and then getting to a point where the writer actually decides what is and isn't real. all those years of everyone making their own gender/sexuality headcanons for each of the kids, getting largely dismantled as the comic goes on is interesting, but it also makes people Really Upset. (which is also interesting, in a kinda morbid way)

re: kevin

didnt mean to imply that transfem/ trans women fans were the ones specifically getting upset. i think a lot of people were upset because they liked the hc, not just trans women.

also, it is a really interesting phenomenon. i kind of hope that hussie is going to get a second chance with these characters in the homestuck show (if it ever gets to that point, ofc). i think that the original portrayal of the characters i.e. being able to see their private messages, and in some cases them thinking outloud thru text has caused a lot of personal attachment. i hope that the characters being condensed down slightly will make it easier for all sorts of fans to understand.

i dont expect it to happen, but if roxys gender is ever mentioned id be very happy. even just hints of it...pls.... its so important to his arc as a character imo.

re: johnny

nah, you're cool, i was replying to the person above me (who was making a good point). but yeah, i do hope that now that we're in the lord's year of 2025 and trans stuff kinda needs to be overt and clear, just for the kind of world we live in, that homestuck stuff leans into it hard and heavy in the near future. especially the new show. if we're going evocative, let's be Evocative.

especially since it's clear that transmasc roxy was a thought andrew had since late act 6, at the very latest, i think it's worth exploring earlier. also doing the same with john/june and vriska (and......... sollux.......... i guess........?). the homestuck 1 transgender square.

Wait, Sollux? /gen this is the first I've ever heard of this, I'm curious where that comes from.

re: kevin

especially since it's clear that transmasc roxy was a thought andrew had since late act 6, at the very latest, i think it's worth exploring earlier.

heavy on this point. a lot of people also seem to forget this. the gender seeds were planted long before the epilogues

tl;dr is that andrew wrote up this long rant about eridan riding on shrek in [s] collide.

that canonized transmasc sollux, but no one really heard about it or talked about it since it was in the middle of an extended joke post.

@kevin yeah Sollux is heavily trans coded in the Pesterquest game. Kanaya helped style him up and Eridan is questioning/nonbinary.