I know this situation has been exhausting, but I do want to ask?

The Main points of the arguing stems from gio's very long posts that you can read here:

This one is the MAIN one with most of the accusations against Andrew Hussie.

https://blog.giovanh.com/blog/2025/08/08/uhc-end/?campaign=r

And this one is a second post he made the same day:

https://blog.giovanh.com/blog/2025/08/08/the-homestuck-union-was-always-fake/?campaign=sb_related

This is Mile's unofficial response that is just him stating his own perspective on things:

https://www.fruityrumpus.com/forums/t/the-uhc-situation

And if you're curious about like the "past" drama that people are referencing there's also sources for that. Most people watched Sarah Z's youtube video on it. I myself have no idea about this drama and I still am confused about what happened T_T But I've seen people link this video as an explanation so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsM9bQvpt_c

i'm not sure what you mean by "important evidence" exactly, but i would mainly point people to miles' statement (www.fruityrumpus.com/forums/t/the-uhc-situation) if they are interested in having a basic understanding of events. cami's statement (https://www.fruityrumpus.com/forums/reply/68964d40eb0e1f3bcab321ae) and victoria's statment (https://www.fruityrumpus.com/forums/reply/68964d40eb0e1f3bcab321ae) may also be of use here. depending on who you are talking to, you may also want to point them to gio's UHC post itself, because there is a nonzero chance they will see it as the hateful transmisogynistic screed it is.

if they unfortunately don't see it that way immediately, tumblr users dingodad and nekropsii have been posting about the situation extensively in a way i think should be persuasive to most. let me know if this helps!

All in All, it is a lot of pointless arguing and petty slap fights between grown adults who take everything way too seriously and who need to stop sueing other people at the slightest provocation. Andrew Hussie needs to stop dialing his lawyers for every little thing lol

i accidentally linked cami's post twice. this is victoria's: https://www.fruityrumpus.com/forums/reply/68965ec9eb0e1f3bcabd4331

RE: Zoey, do you have anything specific i could point to to illustrate that GiovanH's post is a "hateful transmisogynistic screed" not that i don't believe you, but I'm just fucking exhausted.

I hope Andrew Hussie is okay... I don't want them to do a repeat of 2021. ):0(

The person who said that about Gio's post being transmysoginistic was referring to how Gio previously had a history of harassing a trans woman named Kate Mitchell who was a writer for Homestuck. Hussie is also gender queer I believe (I am not entirely sure please do not burn me at the stake) but some people just think its a pattern with Gio and who he is in drama with.

Hussie is indeed genderqueer.

They specifically identify as clowngender, which in Psycholonials' gender theory is the equivalent to agender/apogender (entirely removed from the concept of gender) in more common queer paradigms and nomenclatures. A kind of nonbinarity.

A lot of it boggles down to Gio making a lot of assumptions that are untrue or uncertain with what the people are actually saying. It really bothers me because I know this isn't something that'll convince most people because they want to believe it's true without ever questioning the evidence.

Re: "Transmisogynistic Screed"
I fear that this rhetoric is dangerous. Dismissing Gio's post out of hand because he has a history of being transphobic is exactly how someone like Hussie would get away with the alleged behaviors if they turn out to be true. The things that supposedly happened to Gio are disgusting regardless of whether or not Gio himself is a bad person. If this is actually a pattern of behavior as Gio claims, it can and will have happened to someone who is not a bad person, who is either unwilling or unable to speak up about it.

Just to put my cards on the table here, I am inclined to believe Gio right now. Miles' response didn't address the main problems Gio seemed to have. I am waiting to see what Hussie has to say before taking any of the extremely limited action I can take, of course, but that's where I'm at right now.

Oh yeah, I agree with this by the way. It shouldn't be about morals, because there is no such thing as a perfect victim. We should be analyzing the post instead of assuming based on previous encounters, just like a certain Gio did before...

RE: Vector Chip I am not trying to figure out if GiovanH is morally perfect. I am trying to figure out 1, if it is rational for me to believe him. 2. What the absolute fuck even happened. And 3. What is the most moral action I can take here.

Let me preface by saying I don't like Gio, and I think it's no coincidence that the only people Gio happens to be able to interact with "positively" are the team members who aren't transfem. Gio was absolutely already aware Hussie isn't a man and uses any pronouns, and has acknowledged this in the Sarah Z article years ago (where Gio also happens to make the exact same decision "for clarity" to use exclusively he/him pronouns for her throughout). My impression of Gio leads me to believe they would not outright falsify any of the communications provided. I believe that the edits made are pretty obvious to the critical reader (marked in [brackets] or with ... ellipsis...). I do believe (as per Cami's testimony) that there is a lot that could be read into those omissions, and the order in which Gio presents the facts that aren't omitted. I also think Gio is being pretty honest about their own emotional experience of this whole ordeal, but that that isn't really relevant to the facts of the matter. The majority of claims Gio makes can be written off as speculation - speculation about people's moral characters, about people's relationships with Hussie, about the nature of the HICU, about broader patterns of Homestuck's relationship with its fandom. Nevertheless, a baseline narrative of "what the fuck happened here" can be gleaned from both Gio's and Miles's reports. Hussie, through Miles, reached out to Bambosh and Gio about licensing the Unofficial Homestuck Collection which they were co-maintaners of. Bambosh signed an NDA, Gio didn't (and claims they weren't given the opportunity to - I could go either way on whether to believe this), and then things stalled for a long time. I genuinely think there was a communication error here, because I think it's entirely reasonable that Bambosh, under NDA, couldn't sign anything further without consulting Gio (which was impossible as long as Gio isn't also under NDA). But never do we see an actual acknowledgement of this from Hussie. Maybe that specific bit of information never reached her. I legitimately believe both "sides" think the other is stalling at this point. A very stupid stalemate. What we see thereafter is basically a circular repetition of the same pattern over and over again. Frustrated by the stalling, Hussie implies that if Gio agrees to XYZ small thing, the immediate next thing they can do is move forward. Gio agrees, and then Hussie immediately demands that before they can move forward Gio must retract the Hiveswap article, otherwise she will destroy the Unofficial Homestuck Collection through legal action. Gio refuses, things stall out. Repeat. From my perspective, this is a shitty and deliberately dishonest tactic from Hussie, no two ways about it. Is it indicative that she's an abuser or cult leader or any of the other things Gio insinuated? Absolutely not. But I think, despite my belief that Gio has also been shitty and dishonest in all this, their main intent the whole time was to make the incredible Unofficial Homestuck Collection a cool, less unofficial thing, with this (shitty, dishonest) article brewing the whole time as a backup plan if things didn't go their way. And I believe Hussie's main intent the whole time was to somehow get Gio to take down the Hiveswap article, using the Homestuck Unofficial Collection's precarious legal status as leverage, with the cool new thing for the fans being a bonus if things did go her way. Neither of these positions, as I understand it, is coming from a place of good faith. But, despite me liking Gio less, I think Hussie is more in the wrong in this specific situation? Does that make sense?

Well, damn, all my line breaks got eaten and that's a lot less readable than I intended it to be.

Anyways sorry for the triple post but "What is the most moral action I can take here" is a strange question to me? This ultimately has very little bearing on any of us, so the most moral thing is... don't worry too much about it, and don't engage in any harassment campaigns? (Something which has a track record of being very difficult for Homestuck fans, for whatever reason.) I'm actually a little embarrassed (in 45 minutes of hindsight) about having written that whole big thing because I don't think it matters that my opinion about any of this is Known.

RE: Robot_face, I get that it's a strange question, but almost any time i see drama regarding anything i deal with because of some sort of weird mental compulsion I have.