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I find the single word descriptions of aspects to be pretty confusing and I don't know how to extrapolate that into an entire worldview so it's difficult to say what I think of it (bc if I can't figure out what the worldviews are then how can I form an opinion on them?). I do prefer the older guide though bc of the more in-depth descriptions of the aspects, but since that's not the topic here I won't spend much more time talking about it.

i've gotten some "the aspects are too simplified" advice from another person as well, I'll flesh them out later. i wanted to leave them more up for interpretation but i think they're maybe too open ended

well it's not just that they're too simplified it's that I can't come up with what worldviews they could be. they're not really "too open to interpretation" but rather there's just not much to interpret as is.

great work! i enjoy this.

i have a question for you. why do you pair sylph-/heir+ and witch-/maid+? for me, i pair maid-/sylph+ and heir-/witch+, but admittedly im not as sure about those ones, so im curious about your interpretation.

also, i think that seers are active and mages are passive. quoting your definition, active=selfish, passive=selfless. i often see people assume seers are passive, but look at examples of seers in the comic: rose, terezi, and kankri. their character arcs are all about hubris and their own personal all consuming quest, for rose it was breaking the game, for terezi delivering justice, and for kankri achieving equality. seers think they know everything and use their knowledge for their own desires. meanwhile look at our mages: sollux and meulin. solluxs doom prophecies always saved everyone but himself, and meulin was described as a "genius matchmaker who was unlucky in love." their powers are quite selfless!

oh, also i think knights are passive and pages are active. knights protect others even at personal expense, and pages function best when theyre left to their own devices to grow at their own pace in their own way--their personal growth/journey seems like its primarily for themselves.

okay, i updated the thing. I ended up recycling a bit of the old guide's aspect descriptions, but did a bunch of rewriting and emphasized that these are general trends rather than strict rules.

@jadebot

heir and maid are confirmed in canon and post-canon to be passive, respectively. witch is also confirmed to be active in canon. sylph hasn't been given an official verdict, but I think it works as an active counterpart to heir. creation and restoration are both very similar, making something where it does not exist or no longer exists. witch and maid are both very control focused, with witches controlling their aspect and maids being "less in control of it than it is of them". they have strong ties to control in general, with our witches and maids all having their agency taken away from them in some form of another.

seers are also confirmed in canon to be passive. a seer is never content to just Know, they need to share that knowledge with their teammates, they need to guide them. sollux is stuck with the reality of his aspect. sollux cannot escape his doom, but he can use his understanding of it to follow the rules and keep the timeline from getting fucked up. and I'll be honest, I haven't thought deeply about meulin in a long time, so i'll talk more about what selfish and selfless mean more specifically

selfish, in the context of active classes, is similar to what it means in hit video game genre that i've barely ever played but know a lot about: The MOBA. in a support/ads bot lane, the ads is selfish in that their kit is designed around maximizing their potential. they're often slow to start, but with their help of their support they can do a ton of damage in the late game and usually carry teamfights.

the support is selfless, like a passive class. they still need to work on themselves, but their personal development is more frontloaded. they have to keep the ads safe, after all. a good support cannot win the game, they need competent teammates to execute on the opportunities they create. rose lays out the path to victory, but she can't execute it on her own. sollux knows the path, and through the self sacrifice that doom is built on, he is able to act as a trailblazer.

lastly, knights and pages are a really interesting one. I think a knight(+)/page(-) read is very possible, but I think my interpretation of them makes more sense to me. tavros spends most of his time trying to emulate the heroes that inspire him, namely rufio and vriska, and this never goes well for him. the moment when he reaches his potential is when he inspires the huuuuge group of ghosts to get moving. in the epilogues, jake inspires hope in june that she never could have gotten herself, in one of my favorite scenes in the entire work.

knights work at their best when they are working selfishly, but they hate that. dave gets bored of being the cool time travel guy, and karkat wants to be the leader, but it's not in the cards for either of them. karkat is shown to work best when he gets in there himself, like being able to calm down gamzee mid-rampage through the framework of a very quickly formed moirallegiance. every time they try to put others before themselves, it goes badly for them. game over is a perfect example of this.

there's also just the fact that archetypically, knights use big swords to kill bad guys and pages do errands and stuff. also, I don't remember where this information came from, but to my understanding they're based on batman and robin, hero and sidekick.

sorry for such a long post, got pretty rambly. I hope it was an interesting read!

https://rosespecting.tumblr.com/post/792868189934649344/witches-and-maids here, I also made a post going over the agency stuff with witches and maids. might do one for sylphs and heirs in a bit because i think that's an equally hard sell for people

okay because i'm very autistic i have finished the sylph/heir post https://rosespecting.tumblr.com/post/792871975712423937/sylphs-and-heirs

i decided that at this point I might as well write up one of these for every class pair, even prince/bard and thief/rogue, and link to them in my guide. here's the knight and page one. https://rosespecting.tumblr.com/post/792919673299681280/knights-and-pages

i'll keep posting them here as i finish them. it's like upd8 culture but for duck busters

ok, youve definitely convinced me about heir/sylph and maid/witch. yes, this was the missing piece i needed! thank you!! you are especially cooking with maid/witch being to control... i like heir/sylph as to give, heirs are given their aspect as an inheritance, sylphs give their aspect as a gift... yes, youve given me a lot to think about!!!

also.. when you say things were confirmed in canon, are you referring to post epilogues?

@jadebot

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N9KSmsibqZXDmWCdWQN1Uvvv7gzT6vy7dhWlGmjfgAU/ this doc has a bunch of information compiled, and it says where all of it comes from. some of the stuff is from post-canon but a lot of it isn't

a fourth class pair post has hit the rosespecting blog https://rosespecting.tumblr.com/post/792929697399996416/mages-and-seers

i'm going to go to sleep now. chances are good that I'll do the rest of these tomorrow. and who knows, maybe i'll do these for aspects too.... scary.

whoa it's the stealy gang https://rosespecting.tumblr.com/post/792965914693877760/thieves-and-rogues

it's done. one post for each class pair. https://rosespecting.tumblr.com/post/792977162917576704/princes-and-bards

i Will be making posts for the aspect pairs, and i'll post them here when i get to that, but I have some creative writing I want to focus on for now. so consider this the busterpause. or the duckypause, idk.

i've updated the aspect section. going to have lunch and then look through it again, see if i missed anything, but i think the guide is officially at a place where i'm happy with it

okay by popular demand i also added an inversion section to this new guide as well lol

sorry to keep posting here, i'm fucked up and evil. i made a post going into class categories and it's now also linked on the main guide lmfao https://rosespecting.tumblr.com/post/793503768457134080/class-categories