questionable trans rep in homestuck

seconding. give me goat horns please

> It's a little disingenuous, too, to describe Nepeta as someone who "thinks that the hemospectrum hierarchy is bad". When we first meet her, she's just too ignorant to even understand what it is! I don't think that paints Nepeta as a paladin of equality who would never, EVER find herself subject to subconscious biases. I think it paints her as the kind of person who could absolutely be naive to the way that the subtleties of macro social hierarchy are influencing her on a micro level.

@jakemorph I think there's some nuance to her understanding of the hemospectrum. From her first conversation with Equius:

CT: D --> Your fraternization with the base classes have 100sened your morals, can't you see this
AC: :33 < and i dont know anything about classes or bases or blood color, it doesn't matter!
AC: :33 < what does gr33n blood even mean! it doesnt mean anything to me and it shouldnt mean anything to anyone else!
(pg. 2162)

The "and i dont know anything" part implies that Nepeta isn't knowledgeable on the hemospectrum, as in, she doesn't know the specifics. But surely, she's aware about blood colors and the corresponding caste system to some extent, right? Nepeta's just talking to someone who knows a lot more about the hemospectrum than she does and uses vocabulary she finds confusing (note Equius' "base classes" comment, where Nepeta thinks he's talking about "bases." Both of them lack the proper self awareness to adjust for their different education levels (Also DANG Hussie is a talented writer, that's a really subtle detail that adds so much.))

If Nepeta was truly apathetic about the hemospectrum, she would be like "yeah, whatever, who cares about blood color?" Which, you might argue, is basically what she did say. But I think there's an important distinction here: "it shouldnt mean anything to anyone else" is a pretty clear statement of anti-casteism. The fact that she says this shows that even though she might not be very knowledgeable about the hemospectrum, she is against it on principle. This makes sense, as a cave girl hermit in Alternian society wouldn't have the tools to fully articulate or understand why the caste system is harmful.

I concede that Nepeta definitely could be unaware of the way that society negatively influences her. Again, she doesn't have the tools to deconstruct subtle biases and microaggressions. But also, I still think that Nepeta treats Vriska rather cordially all things considered. And for her part, Vriska does treat Nepeta well too.

I legitimately wonder why Vriska took Nepeta's rejection so calmly when she, erm, severely overreacted to Tavros wanting to stop playing Flarp. Oh wait, the answer is "Doc Scratch," isn't it? In fact, maybe Doc Scratch subtly influenced things to prevent Vriska and Nepeta from forming a strong bond, since otherwise Vriska might become a little too self adjusted to be useful to him. Who knows.

> Sure, maybe the reason Vriska hasn't found that niche isn't literally, textually misogyny, but let's use our close reading glasses here, yeah?

And, circling back to this one last time: Maybe Nepeta has subtle trans-misogynist biases, or subtle biases that result from other people's trans-misogyny. Maybe she's a subtle paragon of social justice and there are valid reasons for her blocking Vriska. The conclusion I've drawn is that what we're trying to measure here is so minute that there's no meaningful conclusion we can draw from the limited data we have. Vriska x Nepeta interactions are so rare that it's hard to ascertain if/how Nepeta is biased towards Vriska. I think that, ironically enough, this means that the deciding factor is the reader's biases towards the characters and concepts at play.

I think you're arguing in a lot of circles and "what ifs" and "maybes" about what was ultimately a very minor part of my point lol

I gotta be honest but

AC: :33 < and i dont know anything about classes or bases or blood color, it doesn't matter!
AC: :33 < what does gr33n blood even mean! it doesnt mean anything to me and it shouldnt mean anything to anyone else!

reads as extremely, appropriately naive of Nepeta being someone who doesn't personally have to deal with what the castes mean/imply. She wants to play her roleplaying games, not think about politics. Which also means not being explicitly anti-caste, either. Lowkey the "weed smoking catgirl" archetype is entirely apt to be not really thinking about implicit biases or w/e. I don't think anyone here is saying that like, Nepeta is a bad person, it's just a small detail that's part of a larger trend. It is funny that most of the defense of Nepeta (and i did laugh at the flip of Nepeta being a saint for putting up with Vriska at all) is reading quite heavily into assumptions of her psyche and justifications that aren't really textual or anything we actually know. We could easily read completely the other direction if we wanted to, but it's all entirely besides the point. Whether Nepeta is or isn't Caste Woke is irrelevant to Victoria's point and the larger trends that she was discussing.

This is gonna be a bit uncomfortable but bear with me. Homestuck Reddit fucked up my perception of Jade Harley. Hearing about the dog penis stuff made me uncomfortable, and instead of ignoring it, I let myself fall for it and get angry. As a result, I ended up lashing out against her and Jane Crocker.

Looking into the forums made me realize how much of a hellhole that place was. I still make jokes about Jade and Jane being tortured, but it's not out of malicious intent, but rather out of frustration and lashing out.

That being said, if I had not checked out people's opinions on post canon, I would not have been as mad as I was. At this point I want Candy!Jade to suffer the consequences for her actions. I don't care if she gets a happy ending or a fate worse than death, karma needs to go for her.

@lyndis i highly recommend just reading the epilogues + hs2 + beyond canon again now that it isnt 2019 anymore. Back in the day i was also dissapointed bc they weren't what i was expecting, but they're so much better if you treat it as A Story and not As Fanfiction, if that makes sense? Ive read too much fix-it postcanon fanfic back in the day so i wasn't prepared for the "what if we made them worse" attitude of the epilogues, but if you know what's coming and don't particularly care whether they are nice or not to your favourite character, they're really great. Especially the Jade stuff, if you read it nowadays she did Nothing wrong. Yes she is sidelined into doing nothing in much of meat, but (one of) the point(s) of the epilogues is that the main characters didn't ""fix"" their major character flaws in homestuck proper and that putting them into a Straight Marriage With Kids epilogues Will make them worse. Dirk started out mildly controlling his friends, but if unchecked he will kill himself and manipulate his friends for the Greater Good (narrative significance). Jane was your Average American Girl who loved parks & rec and the like, and if unchecked descends into fascism (much like the country). And John moves through his life in a haze of denial and forced positivity bc of massive gender dysphoria, and if unchecked the epilogues happen. The epilogues are worth it just for the June Egbert Egg Moments, and a lot of the other parts are really funny if its not 2019 anymore and you were hoping for Anything But This from the homestuck epilogues.

That said, in the wider discussion on Gender and Homestuck, what are the thoughts on the whole June thing? My thoughts (theory?) is that its quite similar to celeste. In the beginning Hussie wrote Egbert as the average teenage boy, not realizing that it was egg behavior because they didn't know that they weren't cis. And now the epilogues and beyond canon are here, hussie is openly nonbinary and the characters are getting more explicitly trans because of that. (Pesterquest canonically trans Vriska and Sollux will never be taken from me)

Idk, I'm inclined to think Hussie was giving trans topics serious thought as early as Problem Sleuth, even if the whimsical tone makes it difficult to recognize as such. Like the bit on page 583 where Nervous Broad (Pickle Inspector's feminine alter-ego) essentially looks into the mirror and sees herself as a monster struck me as a particularly melancholy nod to dysphoria, in the context of the story's various nods to body image issues (eg AD recalling being bullied for his weight, NB being self-conscious about her thin frame)

I haven't read problem sleuth so i can't really comment on that, but that's why i compared it to Celeste. Theres obvious trans themes in early homestuck, in the same way that Celeste is a trans story (and also the Matrix for that matter). But at least for Celeste, the woman who wrote the story and wrote Madeline as a self insert with a lot of the same issues did not know she was trans at the time. She realised it before finishing the DLC which is why farewell has the tiny trans flags in it, and the entirety of Celeste is a trans narrative, but especially the non dlc part is an egg narrative. This might also be true for the matrix, i dont know when the wachowski sisters realized they were sisters.

I don't know what the correct words would be to describe a story like this, but I do feel that the main homestuck comic is more of an egg narrative than a trans narrative, if that makes sense. The epilogues and beyond canon do get a lot more explicit with it, and this might be why

Headcanons and Trans Representation

or, Margot titles her thread comments now, the self-important prick

I'll start by saying that Homestuck’s whole take on gender and sexuality at large is very interesting to me. The inherent metatextuality of it, which fully embraces the idea of the headcanon as an inherent part of itself. That is to say, it purposefully leaves a lot to interpretation, seeming genuinely more interested in pushing the audience to have their own readings of it.

As I said, I (mostly) quite enjoy that. I have previously talked, in a more tongue-in-cheek kinda way, about how I see certain characters in HS as butch, for instance. And I could say a lot about how important that was to my own identity, and my perception of gender and sexuality at large. And perhaps someday I will. But this is about questionable trans rep, so...

Alright. If in the best case, Homestuck's ambiguity allows for a multitude of interpretations without explicitly denying any one of them, in the worst case, it... Sort of reinvents queerbaiting. NOW PLEASE KEEP READING INSTEAD OF RESPONDING TO JUST THAT LINE. I'M NOT FINISHED.

While I love the "I know authors who use subtlety and they're all cowards" meme, there is nothing wrong with subtext. You can be, perhaps paradoxically, rather explicit without necessarily saying anything aloud. One of my favorite works ever, Berserk, has a lot of queer themes that are impossible to ignore, yet would still be categorized as subtext.

Now. Homestuck’s queerness isn’t subtext. It is woven into its worldbuilding. We know all trolls are bisexual, we know their gender is not determined by sex. Characters are explicitly queer, and go through self-discovering journeys. And most of it, for the most part, works.

When we get to trans characters, though... Things get a bit more complicated than that. While there were definitely characters which you could read a trans allegory into before (Calliope and Kanaya come to mind), I would argue that the first explicitly transgender character in Homestuck is Davepeta. And to be clear, I adore Davepeta, and I like that we have an explicitly non-binary furry/otherkin representation in Homestuck. Additionally, I am aware they were very important for a lot of people figuring their own identities out, and I do not, for even a second, wish to take that away from anyone.

Still and however, Davepeta’s non-binary-ness comes, presented in text, from the fact they are a fusion of Nepetasprite and Davesprite (himself a fusion of alternate Dave and a bird). In their talk with Jasprose, they explicitly point that out, Jasprose even commenting on the fact she still sees herself as a girl becuz cats don’t really have that many takes on gender. And to be clear, I don’t have an issue with that. Fantasy/Sci-fi explorations of gender will always be dear to me. It is, however, still an example of the non-human enby trope. One that again, I am very fond of, but that nonetheless presents gender out of the binary as something, for lack of a better word, alien.

There is only so many times I can say I don’t mind that before an already long post becomes terribly repetitive. So I’ll just say it one last time: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH EXPLORING GENDER THROUGH FANTASY AND SCI-FI CONCEPTS. I DO NOT THINK DAVEPETA IS BAD TRANS REPRESENTATION.

Ok? Ok.

The next moments of straightforward trans rep come in the Epilogues. Meat!Calliope and Meat!Roxy explicitly come out to Jade. The latter then gets great focus on the embracing of their masculinity, as we get to see an honest-to-god transition happening on screen, which as of now, is also the only transition we saw happen on screen -- yes, we know June will happen eventually, but it hasn’t yet.

We also get a quite unique perspective on transition with Candy!Roxy, who in direct contrast to their Meat counterpart, doubled down on the traditional role imposed by their AGAB, a very common type of denial among those pre-transition. This is not to say Candy!Roxy is not trans at all, as they all but come out to John, with their monologue on how motherhood and the “purpose to their body” served as strange relief to their dysphoria and so on. I think it serves more to comment on how gender identity is much more complicated than simply “born in the wrong body”, a surface-level explanation to trans identity which is useful but nonetheless reductive. This is why, I would wager, one of the content warnings in the Epilogues reads "detransition", despite the fact that doesn’t actually happen in either timeline.

And this has been. Controversial. A lot of it comes from just average transphobia, and it isn’t any deeper than that. Another group, however, seems to be made of people that say they were “robbed” of their personal headcanon for Roxy, which is to say, almost always, transfem Roxy. And this has manifested in many ways, as mild as people describing frustration with it, through folks that cite it as one of the reasons they don’t like “post-canon” stuff, to a very loud minority who, if I can be honest for a second, sounds exactly like a transphobic parent describing how they lost their child when said child transitions.

I’ll preface the next paragraph by saying that if you are not trans yourself, your opinions on Roxy’s transition are irrelevant. You may have them if you so desire, you may, even, make them heard if you want. It is, as they say, allowed. I simply do not care. For the people that are trans tho, and who took Roxy’s transition into another gender personally... I get it. I fundamentally disagree, but I do get it. Again, as said in the beginning, the idea of the headcanon as an inherent, designed even, part of the Homestuck narrative gives one the liberty to assign any identity to any character. And to have that yanked from you becuz it is not the story they wanted to tell can feel rather unfair, especially if Roxy has, as I’ve observed is the case with many of these critics, been very important to the discovery of your own identity.

BUT, and I mean this as nicely as I can, that is, one thousand percent a you problem. To wish that a character was secretly trans all along, without engaging with the idea of transitioning at all, without any repercussions to that whatsoever, especially in detriment of actually seeing that unfold in the plot itself is... Cowardly. It’s not simply wanting escapism through fiction, that is wanting fiction to be solely escapist. It’s entitlement dressed up in robes that emulate progressivism. The personal connection one has with a character will not, ever, be more important than actual trans representation.

Which leads me to the next trans rep and general “gender stuff”, in Pestequest (I’m purposefully skipping Hiveswap as I want to focus on Homestuck proper. Which includes post-canon. Deal with it).

I will risk a hot take tho, and say most of the rep in Pesterquest is... Not textually explicit. Again, I think it’s pretty obvious Vriska and Sollux are meant to be trans, and trying to deny that is just a recipe to looking silly. That said, the most explicit discussion of gender we get in Pesterquest is about Eridan and his dresses (something that actually comes from Homestuck itself, but I digress). They are, also, “this character has been secretly trans all along” situations. Which as I made clear, I’m not the biggest fan of, at least not as opposed to actually watching a transition happen.

For what it is tho, I think it mostly works. The Pesterquest routes are meant to be short vignettes of the characters we already know, written by fans of said characters and thus projecting their own readings and, yes, headcanons. And I understand the routes have their own haters, a hate that is now also accompanied by a feeling of envy. And I don’t say so judgementally to be clear, I think it is a perfectly valid feeling to be upset that someone got to make their headcanon true in detriment of your own. I recognize I mostly like the identities being “canonized” and thus don’t have a huge problem with them, but I can relate to feeling like certain routes got characters completely wrong in other ways, so ultimately, I am capable of sympathizing with the feeling.

The larger problem here, I think, comes from the fact that we then have, as of right now, only two on-screen transitions, only one of them having any real focus: Roxy, being transmasc.

Once again I feel the need to make clear what I am not saying: there’s nothing wrong with having trans men in your story. There is, in it of itself, nothing wrong with having a trans man and not having a trans woman in your story. There is, however, much to be said about the perceived palatability of transmascs over transfems, in media and in real life.

This manifests in many ways. For instance, it wouldn’t be inaccurate to say that there is a certain obsession with trans women while trans men are sorta sidelined. That is not to say this is a good thing -- the word “obsession” should give that away -- as the mainstream discourse often presents trans women as the main issue to be discussed, while the identity of trans men or their existence in and of itself is simply ignored. We see this, for instance, on how TERF ideology frames transmascs as confused innocent women, and transfems as vile freaks trying to invade their spaces. Both are terrible, both cause real material harm, and I would not dream of, as a trans woman, claiming my trans brothers have it easy out there.

I would thus hope my trans brothers would not turn on me when I say their sisters and I do have it worse. The bathroom bills and “trans women in sports” discourse are about imaginary dangerous trans women invading “cis women spaces”, and even when trans men and butch women are targeted in this scenario, it so happens becuz bigots think they are “men in disguise”. While y’all do often get caught in the crossfire, they are aiming at us.

This negative hypervisibility then results in the trouble of media representation, where they’re met with the paradox where they want to portray an underrepresented class, which is all trans people, but they also want the least amount of backlash possible, which is a trans man (one who is usually also white, and either perfectly passing or “non-threatening” in a way that usually translates to being “girly” and or “soft”). That is not to say it’s bad that we have that kind of representation, not at all, these people exist and should be represented. I wouldn’t even say it is a conscious thing most of the time, I want to and do believe people who care about representing trans people at all do not have a secret vendetta against trans women.

There is a bias, however. To put it bluntly, the sight of a “woman in pants” is less shocking than the sight of a “man in a dress”.

Ok. Let’s talk about Jade Harley now.

The first signs that Jade is not cisgender comes in the Candy Epilogues, when she talks to Jake about how Dave, apparently, cannot get her pregnant. When Jake tries getting more details out of her, she sort of dodges the question, but does reveal it has something to do with the fusion with Bec. When Jake presses on, asking if the dog genes are keeping Jade from getting pregnant, her response is literally “not my....... GENES exactly :\”, and that she asked Rose to help out. When Jake is confused about how that would work, Jade straight up says “Dave wouldn’t be the father in this scenario”. In H2^2, we then see the result of this, with Rose having bore Jade’s child... *deep sigh* Yiffany, aka Yiffy.

SO. Dog dick discourse. I would be lying if I said the Epilogues don’t hint at that. They make it very clear the problem is caused by her fusion with Bec, and that Dave can’t get her pregnant becuz of it. It should be said, they are also certainly playing into a common depiction of Jade in porn. I will not give details on this, we got minors around. If you know, you know.

So. Is Jade trans? I think it’s worth mentioning that a few members of the old writing team have confirmed on social media Jade being trans is the intended reading, but I’m sorry, that does not count. If you want something to be canon to your story, write it in your story.

And that’s the problem, I think. Neither the Epilogues’ team, nor the HS^2 team, and as of now, not the HSBC team have done much with that. At the reveal of Yiffy’s existence, they even seem to treat it as a dirty little secret, something that shall not be mentioned. And that, I think, is where the greatest problem with it lies.

I would not mind Jade being, for lack of a better term, “sci-fi transgender”. Like I mentioned in the Davepeta section, concepts like these have been extremely important to me in discovering my identity, arguably more than actual straightforward trans rep (then again, the fact that there is so little of the latter is part of the problem). Even with all the clumsiness and avoidance in the portrayal that I talked about, she still does “feel” trans to me. As a furry, I don’t even mind the dog fusion stuff, that is genuine goals for so many gals I know. I can absolutely imagine a portrayal that, if not technically transfem, could speak to transfems deeply. Could make us feel seen.

This is not what we got. The most explicit transfem rep we got so far is cryptic SBURB shenanigans that are not even allowed to be spoken aloud. Jade’s transness is treated as something that needs to be hidden. Something that we cut away from to keep it respectable.

I would not input malice from any of the teams which have approached the subject, but I am disappointed. I have faith we’ll eventually get more to it. And again, we are actually, after years in wait, getting to the June stuff. But that’s the whole point. It’s been years, over a decade depending on when you start counting, and transfems have... Crumbs. And I just think we deserve a little better.

I agree with a lot of what Margot is saying here in a way that’s much much better than I could ever put it (or even attempted to put it with my own rambles about Jade the page prior)

Especially in regard to the fantasy/sci-fi impossible type transitions because I do have the awareness that they are like frowned upon and all that especially for nb characters but liiike that’s my ideal and sometimes it feels Bad when around others who turn their nose up at that sort of thing when I’d leap for it in a heartbeat. I dunno man I dunnooo it’s all complicated :(

we got silksong before june egbert 😭😭

@lyndis; i'm seconding nautilus here: you should definitely reread the epilogues. jade and jane aren't perfect or flawless within them, but i do think they deserve a bit more grace. especially jade.

i certainly have to second margot on her thoughts on jade and davepeta, though i think with roxy its more complic8d. to be very upfront here i'm a transmasculine person; so take that as you will. though i wasn't around prior to the epilogues i know many people read roxy as textually transfeminine. originally i believe it was due to the "XY" being teased in her name reveal, as shaky and unwieldy as that would be to introduce a trans woman. take that with a grain of salt, though... since this is essentially a secondary source. i believe there's also a lot to be said with regards to "surrogate motherhood" with roxy, though that can definitely go either way re: transition.

i do wish that meat roxy's transition was handled differently, though. he's so boring designwise :/ and maybe it's just the amount of screentime he gets, but i feel like he loses a lot of his individuality. i've seen people call him "dave lite" and quite honestly i'm a little inclined to agree. transition doesn't entirely change a person, but i would've loved to see more change with roxy, or just more of him that wasn't gender or being around davekat. i want to see him gush about wizards or try to get in touch with dirk or talk about classpects with callie. meat roxy is a nothingburger.

i've seen a lot of discussion on tumblr of homestuck (proper) being textually transfeminine, which i think is HIGHLY compelling-- whether just by virtue of hussie herself being transfem or the very fact that the oppressive & antagonising force in the story values masculinity and either forces it upon characters or discards characters who reject it. there's very few characters that i personally see a sensible transmasculine interpret8ion of, and even then.. most of them i could also see as transfem. karkat, for example, goes to ridiculous lengths to hide something that society would shun him for and tries his hardest to be the boot rather than the ant underneath it, which i read as mimicking the experience of stealth trans men, especially those who take on misogynistic behaviours in order to pass. at the same time, though, she can also be read as a trans woman who's VERY deep in the closet and tries super hard to conform to her assigned gender!

it's just... when something is subtextual, like the transness in homestuck proper, it's more interpretive and just there for those who want to see it. it can't be criticised because the intentionality is NOT confirmed. but when something is made explicit, like jade or roxy, the intention is there and everyone who interacts with the story has to face it and is given that character, for better or worse, as a representative of that specific experience. i can't speak much on jade more than anyone else here, as it's been plenty of transfems voicing their thoughts (Thank Fucking God This Forum Isn't Insufferably Transmasc), but i think roxy could've been done better.

margot is the smartest and hottest butch on the planet and is perhaps always correct

i feel like theyve been as explicit as a story can be without just having a character turn to the camera and state it outright, they definetly did it in a jokey homestuck-type way, but that just puts her in line with all of HS's queer rep, aside from epiloigue dave who fittingly turned to the camera directly. i feel like the explicit statement that to have a child she needed rose, and the fact that the "difficulties" were on her end, paints as clear of a picture as a story can

RE: @morningWillow

I don't think getting to see someone coming out is "saying it to the camera". Like, we do that. It's a part of being trans, and queer in general. Again, we have an explicitly trans character in the Epilogues, with Roxy. They come out, they change their appearance, people comment on it. It is a source of exploration to their relationships with other characters, like how Dirk is clearly uncomfortable with it, and what that says about his own internalize misogyny, and so on.

Jade's trans-ness, in contrast, is treated like something that needs to be talked about in a hushed tone. It was literally a secret to almost everyone, and we don't even get to see Jade explain this to her own sibling in HS^2.

Like, idk yo, I have a problem with the greatest acknowledgement of transfemininity in Homestuck being "I impregnated my married friend and kept it a secret for 15 years". I have a problem with how the only way we interact with it is through that storyline. It plays (likely unintentionally, but still) into harmful stereotypes of trans women and it does so without even saying the word "trans" outloud. It's all of the problems and none of the benefits.

Honestly I feel like most of the issues with Roxy comes from how his character in Meat gets sidelined (frankly this applies to Meat as a whole post-epilogues), and hopefully we get to see him develop more as he discovers himself. Same with Candy Roxy and whatever genderfuckery she's got going on, lol. Though, I think that it does need to be said that despite falling by the wayside in terms of the actual plot, Roxy in the Epilogues is the primary character though which the narrative is exploring gender, in both timelines they give big explainers or dialogues on processing identity. It's a little clumsy and blunt but honestly I think showing this approach to gender is an important role for what the Epilogues themselves are trying to do. Their conversation with Dave, in aprticular, did a lot to affect my own gender and identity feelings - they're not something fixed and immutable but something that can change depending on context (meat vs candy roxy) and self-evaluation (dave's shifting sexuality); gender identity can be something that is artificial and constructed while still being an authentic expression of self. It's a very nuanced perspective that I haven't seen very often. The follow-up may leave something to be desired but I do think the foundation was good, and it's just hard for me to judge too harshly based on the scraps of transmasc Roxy we've received.

Honestly I agree with most of what you've said here, I think the biggest point I agree on is that jade's transness needs to abandon the hushed tone
its not like people have never been uncomfortable with telling their family about being trans but it would be better if at some point on screen we get jade explicitly saying she's transfem.
I do think epilogues jade is actually handled fairly well at least on the front that isn't being unconscious and controlled for half the story (and I've mentioned enough times how deeply she resonated with me)but I do think going forward it would just be a better choice to have it laid out.

@gatorclaw Agree. The epilogues, hs2 and beyond canon have So much to say about gender, it's fair to give them some time to fully write out their thoughts. We've seen the June silhouette, we know shes coming, we just dont know how they'll get there and im giving the writers the benefit of the doubt bc they're writing an excellent egg and egg breaking story so far.

that said, meat!roxy should change his name. I like the roxy gender stuff that we have so far but if you're telling me that transmasc roxy didnt at least Consider calmasis as a name im dissapointed. And i can't wait for meat!dave to introduce him in front of dirk as "my bro, cal"

(not totally sold on the name and they've already updated the silhouettes so the writers have A Plan and theyve given me no reason not to trust them but Please Give The Trans Characters New Names. I dont care about vriska or sollux' deadname, but i cant keep calling meatroxy meatroxy)

Not all trolls are bisexual. Bisexual is the "cultural default" for troll society in the way that heterosexuality is the "cultural default" for a number of human societies.

Sorry for the double post but i think that the person who suggested "Calmasis" as a name for a transitioned Roxy is some kind of world-historic genius.