i saw a response on cami's thread https://www.fruityrumpus.com/forums/t/my-full-conversation-with-gio-1?page=2 that i rly agree with and wanted to push
RE: "This conversation is bizzare to me because it's predicated on the idea Gio has some sort of basic human right to distribute copyrighted material (the asset pack) without a license for money (Gio has a Patreon). (via user bluebootyranger)"
LITERALLY THIS. WHY DO PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM KEEP SAYING IT WAS "SHITTY" OF ANDREW HUSSIE TO USE LEGAL THREATS AGAINST GIO WHEN GIO CLAIMS ANY FORM OF AUTHORITY OVER 8000 PAGES OF WORK ANDREW HUSSIE MADE WITH THEIR OWN HANDS (bambosh made the original tech for the unofficial collection btw). UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCE IS ANDREW HUSSIE'S, OR *ANYBODY'S* WORK SOME KIND OF PUBLIC RESOURCE THAT JUST ANY OLD SHMUCK WHO WALKS IN CAN CLAIM OR PROFIT OFF OF??? LIKE DUDE. EVEN IF ANDREW HUSSIE'S ONLY REASON FOR DMCAING GIO IS BECAUSE HE SIMPLY DOES NOT LIKE HIM, THATS... FINE????????!!!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!! ITS A "GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY HOUSE" SITUATION, AND FRANKLY INSTEAD OF THREATENING HIM AT ALL HE SHOULD HAVE SKIPPED STRAIGHT TO FUCKING COURT. I CANT STAND PEOPLE ACTING LIKE CREATORS SHOULD ALWAYS BE NICE TO THEIR FANS JUST BECAUSE THEY OWE US? THEY DONT OWE US SHIT, THEY MADE THE FUCKING WORK.
PEOPLE ARE FORGETTING THAT CREATORS, ESPECIALLY ONLINE CREATORS, DONT REALLY HAVE MUCH RECOURSE AGAINST BAD ACTORS WHO TAKE CREDIT FOR THEIR WORK BESIDE LEGAL. LIKE WTF ARE YOU EXPECTING, *******************A COOKIE??????????????????????????????????******************************
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It's like Homestuck but during Antebellum slavery.
gio saves his hardest battles for his strongest warriors
@sword I agree with all you said, all I'm saying is that if they couldn't come to an agreement and both sides knew it wouldn't happen, then I don't see why Hussie would have a reason to care about dragging on the negotiations about the UHC, which is why I interpret those and having shifted towards being about the articles. In fact, I think it would've been wiser if they had stopped at Bambosh, since he was also expressing disinterest in the negotiations.
@dingus Gio being right is maybe the single biggest point of contention here because every article he wrote has been put into question by different people. It's no wonder that he's unwanted for, among other things, getting people who aren't involved caught in crossfires because of his speculation and unprofessionalism, and those bring serious dobuts to his articles.
@Deep Dive Devin I totally understand where you're coming from. It's fair to let people know of what abuses might take place in the work environment of Homestuck. The issue here is specifically with Gio's behavior about it, and the manner in which he exposes those facts. He's untrustworthy for a lot of reasons and his story with the UHC isn't 100% equivalent to the other stories he's reported on because unlike in those cases, Gio and Hussie already had a lot of bad blood between them which explains a lot of Hussie's behavior in the situation. Gio is no saint and he was wary of what Hussie could try to do, and yet he still carried on with his "display of good faith" by passive-aggressively letting Hussie pile on him with threats he knew would have effect eventually.
And that's about it.
Gio and bamboosh didn’t receive any notorized word that they wouldn’t face legal prosecution because the entire affair seems to have been handled through discord. hussie being so unprofessional as to send legal threats through discord messages is another feather in his cap I guess.
tara and raven superfan
I get what you're saying @Palm, but even by Gio's own screenshots it's clear that he was the one dragging things out. He was asked multiple times for responses to certain things and he never made a statement/request like Bambosh to end things. He also wanted to see if he could still get what he wanted without having to give up what Hussie wanted. Especially from Hussie's perspective, why would he not think that getting to have the UHC up, official, and PAID FOR would be more valuable in the long run for Gio to have than to have blog posts up (with Gio's Patreon having: well. not a lot going on)? We can all say in hindsight and after seeing exactly how Gio behaves when he doesn't get what he wants that Hussie should have stopped sooner or just sent the DMCA, but I have a sneaking suspicion that there would have been another article anyway and we'd be talking about whether Hussie should have just tried to negotiate more or something.
I think we're all forgetting no formal legal threat ever happened lmfao
Gio fought to keep the articles up because he is, again, a muckracker at heart who thinks he is doing the public a service by letting them know about the various troubles that occurred during hiveswaps development. I imagine there are many backers of the kickstarter who consider his articles valuable information since they are investors in the project at the end of the day
tara and raven superfan
Brother I feel like you don't know what 'muckraker' means.
@Squiddo if you look at the other articles on his blog there’s a lot of that kind of stuff, trying to expose companies and actors engaging in reprehensible practices to promote a better public good. You all just seem very offended that Andrew Hussie could be the target of such claims.
tara and raven superfan
I will say again I don't think you know what 'muckraker' means lmfao
where does gio even find these henchmen
vriska is awesome
Also maybe we're more skeptical when it comes to Hussie because the guy has proclaimed like a supervillain that his lifes mission is to ruin Hussie's image and has lied about him in the past.
The homestuck discord is full of people like this genuinely. It's one big circlejerk of people who have hated the comic since act 6 talking about how much they hate hussie.
what specifies lies did Gio tell about andrew Hussie in the past?
tara and raven superfan
I meant reddit but discord too tbh. 3xpost combo.
"articles" "muckraker" GIO'S A BLOGGER BRO. who's posts only ever seem to gain traction when they're about homestuck ohhhh wooooooowwwwww that's so crazyyyyyy. when I reference my tumblr account (that, erm, actually posts about Multiple topics) as to why I'm actually super special and deserve to be just taken at my word for everything.
The reason we can't dispute the lies Gio has spread are because Hussie works with at least a modicum of professionalism and doesn't air everyone's dirty laundry because some two bit dipshit made a callout post you fucking moron.
so the posts Gio made that Hussie made two failed legal threats for libel over are lies because…?
tara and raven superfan
I didn't say that, but also do you think that the 'two failed legal threats for libel' were due to Hussie not wanting to litigate or due to a lack of evidence? You realize to litigate this would be literal years of work and a shitshow 10x the magnitude of this one because they wouldn't be able to discuss details right? Imagine gio's blogpost then. I can guarantee you'd also be in here talking about how Hussie is a tyrant for suiing a small creator (GURK GURK GURK) anyways dude go back to reddit.